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From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems??
Date: 5 Jun 1995 10:49 PST
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In article <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes...
>In article <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu>,
>Roger Ivie <ivie@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>...
>>FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than
>>C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my
>>systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s).
>>
>Kermit-32 is smaller than C-Kermit because it does less. But it's old and
>no longer supported. I don't know anybody that can even compile it.
Well, then you don't know anybody with a VAX running VMS. I just
recompiled both the MACRO32 and BLISS-32 versions on two of my
systems; one running VMS 5.5-1, the other running 6.2. There
is one (minor) glitch in the command procedures supplied: There is
a procudure called 'VMSREN.COM' which renames a bunch of files beginning
with VMS to KER. But it renames too many of them; some of them should
still begin with VMS. The very quick and dirty fix for this is to
change all the RENAMEs to COPYs in 'VMSREN.COM'.
Just recently, DEC's BLISS-32 compiler became freeware. It's on the
latest DECUS Freeware CD, and is also available via anonymous ftp
from flash.dmc.com, in the directory FREEWARET62:[BLISS], as well as
from ftp.wku.edu, in the directory [VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS].
> And if it works on Alphas, it's a miracle.
I haven't tried it, but there is a tool called VEST which is supposed
to be quite good at converting VAX/VMS executables into Alpha executables.
The BLISS compiler for VMS on an Alpha is also available at the above ftp
sites, and just might be able to compile a working Kermit-32. I've
never tried it, and I can't see why anybody with an Alpha would be trying
to use Kermit-32. As you and Roger have pointed out, the only reason
to run Kermit-32 instead of the more full-featured C-Kermit
you cannot afford the performance ineffeciencies or memory requirements
of C-Kermit. (I still use Kermit-32 on my VAX-11/730, for example.)
Tim. (shoppa@krl.caltech.edu)
Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech.